Friday, January 4, 2008

America In The End Times

I've been disturbed lately thinking about what I've heard: that America doesn't exist in the end times. And if that is true, then we can only speculate about why. This article talks about America's role in Bible prophecy. It states that America does not play a significant role in end-time prophecy and that it must fall from world influence.

It just "kills" me. I keep thinking - prophecy tells us that we
will lose it, that it will slip through our hands! How do I pray in the light of this? I just don't know how I'm supposed to pray!

Notice the article states that the remnant of God's people are purged by this. I understand that, but my heart is grieved. We are losing a great gift that God gave us. Oh how can it be that evil can tear it down?

Or will it just mean that we'll still exist, but we'll be humbled as a subserviant power in the world and it will do us good? I can only speculate.

20 comments:

Steve said...

Gabrielle,
I wouldn't lose sleep over it. We are blessed to live in a country that was founded with Christian principles in mind, but I think it's kind of arrogant for us to think that we as American Christians are the focal point for world events.

Peter and other post-Resurrection Scripture writers understood that they were living in the End Times. Now, 2000 years later, we're still there. I don't care if Christ comes tomorrow or in 5000 years, we are still to live as He directed us.

2 Peter 3:11-12 is a good starting point. He asks, 'since we know all this will pass away, how then shall we live?'

The American culture will live or die, but the Word is eternal.

Bike Bubba said...

It's shocking to think that our nation will fall from influence, but if we take dispensational eschatology seriously, it involves kings of the north & south more or less trying to practice mass genocide on each other. In this light, shouldn't we be glad that our nation doesn't appear to be one of the perpetrators?

Bill Graver said...

It's a good thing that I don't take "dispensational eschatology" seriously. :-)

I don't want to get into a eschatological debate here but the dispensationalist view really butchers Scripture and forces it to fit into the "mold." It's always dangerous when people have to insert things into scripture in order to make it fit their pet theology.

Like you, I'm sad to see the direction that America is headed. The good news, though, is that we're all citizens of another kingdom, a perfect and eternal one.

Gabrielle Eden said...

I'm not familiar with "dispensational" eschatology, but I am glad that we aren't evil perpetrators, as you said, Bike, and I DO look forward to the kingdom of God being strengthened out of all this, Bill.

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Gabrielle Eden said...

Steve,

I don't think of arrogance, as the attitude that depicts what I'm talking about. America has been the harbor of souls seeking to escape oppression. Think about it. Where in the world is there a place of opportunity that offers freedom like the United States? Without America, what will there be in her place?

I wasn't worried about not being the 'focal point.' I am disturbed by what we would be losing, when you think about it, truly think about it.

But I appreciate what you are saying, echoed by Bill, that the Word will endure. It's good to hear the heart of believers answer my desperate cry in this post.

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Bike Bubba said...

Gabrielle, when someone puts a link like that in your blog, just delete it without visiting. It's an automated spambot, and you'd do well to check your computer for viruses now, too.

Gabrielle Eden said...

Thanks, Bike!

Steve said...

Gabrielle,

Alexis de Tocqueville said, "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." I think we not as good as we once were, so we are losing our greatness.

I look at it like this. Way back in the day, I bought a brand new Toyota pickup. It was sweet and I took good care of it. One day I noticed that someone had dinged the door in the parking lot. Pretty soon the windshield was pitted and cracked. Later, I backed into a light pole and tore up the bumper. It wasn't the same pristine vehicle I drove off the lot.

This country, like my truck, is a man-made creation, and it's going to degrade over time. And this nation, like my truck, has been a blessing. I tried to keep it clean and in good running order, and we should do the same with the country. I'm proud to be a citizen, but I recognize that this is not my forever home.

Gabrielle Eden said...

But don't you find it sad, tragic even, to think of the decay of our country? A car must decay. A country does not have to - it simply does because of corruption of the human heart. But anyway - interesting analogy.

Steve said...

How many civilizations have lasted more than a few hundred years? Human governments, to greater or lesser degrees, are inherently corrupting. Yes, ours has been blessed and has thrived, and I ache to see it destroyed from within , but IT'S NOT MY HOME!

As a wiser man than I once said, 'hold onto things loosely; that way it doesn't hurt as much when God takes it from you.'

Gabrielle Eden said...

Thanks, Steve. It's going to be hard for me, what's ahead for our nation, but it's good to know we're not alone.

Steve said...

And as Bill implies above, all of this presumes a dispensationalist "Christ is coming by lunchtime" view. When people starting looking at events and predicting that "we're in the end times," I have to chuckle a bit. We've been in the End Times for approximately 1,974 years.

Not that Christ won't come by lunchtime, but eschatology fever, like the old earth/young earth debate, tends to take our focus off our responsibility to spread the Gospel.

Gabrielle Eden said...

Steve,

for the slow amongst us, please clarify. You mean it says that we don't have the time to evangelize because Christ is coming so soon?

Steve said...

You mean it says that we don't have the time to evangelize because Christ is coming so soon?


No, I would just take it back to what Peter said (in my first comment, 2 Peter 3:11-12), that because we are, by definition, in the Last Days, we ought to live each day with the expectation of Christ's return. that said, we have all the more reason to evangelize.

Jennifer said...

I have thought about and prayed about the U.S. roll in the end times and have come to the same conclusions. It breaks my heart to think of what is happening to our country. I don't want to be the focal point either. I just understand what it means that we are not.
Once I accepted this I began to pray about what to do next. I have joined the 9/12 project. It gave me peace to be around like-minded people. It makes things not seem so overwhelming. And we are not just waiting for what will happen, but preparing for it. I started with my family and am working outward.
God bless and pray for peace in Jerusalem.

Gabrielle Eden said...

amen, Jennifer - that last comment about Jerusalem says so much about how I have been thinking lately. I have more fondness towards Israel now than America, and know for sure that the Jews will triumph and survive, and that gives me hope.

Thanks for telling me about the 9/12 project.

Gabrielle Eden said...

to James Bryer - because of your profanity, I didn't post your comment. Not the first Brit with a hateful attitude towards Americans. I already experienced that years ago when traveling in England. But then, it was overpowered by all the people in England who treated me like royalty and threw open their doors to me. Oh well.......